AKTI suggests that you consult legal counsel for guidance. To “go armed” simply requires that the person move from one location to another with the weapon, and that he had the unlawful intent when departing from the first location. It is not a button nor will the blade automatically pop open it is part of the actal blade. Knives that are disguised under lipstick, pen, cane, belt etc. So I bought an automatic knife in South Carolina and brought it back to michigan if i put it in my pocket and carry it around will i get in trouble for doing so it’s folding knife not an otf the blade is a single edge that is 3 and 1/4 inches long. The test as set forth in the case of State v Jones 162 N.W. AKTI is not, and cannot be, a legal service provider. The prohibition on automatic knives was removed in October 2017. I know this is old but this guy naturally wants to protect his son but is twisting the statute. I thought I saw a Michigan AG’s opinion on this a year or more ago, but I can’t find it online now. It’s the wild west right now with dual edged knives in this state… your guess is as good as the next guy as to if your knife is legal or not based on the actual law… We need clear Knife Laws in this state not ones that can be easily manipulated by dishonest officials… I have a letter from the Michigan Governor’s office and several emails from the State Police stating dual edged folding knifes are legal in Michigan… Yet the Zeeland Police and Ottawa County Prosecutor believe dual edged folding knives can be called daggers, dirks or stilettos… And since those three terms are apperently NOT defined anywhere in MI’s laws… Guess what… You and I have no rights or protection under the law! Open Carry. Pocket knife opened by mechanical device; unlawful sale or possession; persons exempted. People v Brown, 406 Mich 215, 223 (1979).”, http://www.benzielaw.com/2014/04/03/a-slice-of-michigan-knife-law/. my knife is a benchmade infidel double edged blade. 750.222a. I had no idea it was a felony to have. A “hunting knife”..which is described as a Stone Knife..or Obsidian Knife. The exception within the statute for hunting knives only applies to a “hunting knife” and only if the person can show he or she was using and carrying the hunting knife as a hunting knife. ————begin quote——————- 3. Your section on automatic knives needs to be updated. As of October 10th 2017 all auto opening knives are now legal to care and use in the state of Michigan. I don’t see this tip or even the 1cm letter opener being illegal. It had a handle with metalic knuckles. especially after another officer said it WAS legal?? You are wrong about not bein able to defend yourself if you feel your life is in danger you should let the attacker you have a knife and you will use it if he/she/They do not stop. And “assisted opening” knives are legal. The Mi Home Rule law will not allow cities the right to penalize for carrying such knives a worse penalty than what the state gives out. As of January 2019, Michigan law does not place restrictions on knife length. For a more in depth discussion of that, see my post to the comment above yours. Everything can be carried openly, so long as it's not with "unlawful intent." The only time state statutes mention knife length occurs in the section of the penal code limiting knife length to three inches if the intent of the knife owner is to harm another person. Knife Rights' Michigan Knife Law Preemption bill, HB 5286, the "Michigan Knife Rights Act," was heard by the House Judiciary Committee today. Sec. Can I carry a folding karambit as a felon? So is carrying a folder/flipper knife with a visible pocket clip counseled carry or open carry? Contact your State Representatives and ask them to support a repeal of 750.227, it needs to go! He also knew that, that’s why he attacked me. Spring-assisted knives (switchblades, automatic, etc.) Hope this helps. The wording is very specific. Please update Michigan automatic and otf laws. That’s one way Innocent people plead guilty. But to my main point, a blade with a lever integral to the blade for one handed opening should not be a mechanical contrivance since nothing apart from the blade is being used to open the knife. He thought I’d be an easy target. what about carrying a 2.5 inch fixed blade. So beware. Just be sure to not be carrying an illegal double edged knife or other weapon. As long as you don’t do unlawful activity with it, in theory, yes. and keep it sheathed, I am 14 and going on a backpacking trip in a public park can I open carry a large fix blade knife. 227. Also no two sided knives. Police use certain tactics to scare you anyways, legal or not. Are you referring to a ‘concealed” one? Effective October 10th, 2017, automatic knives will be legal for possession and everyday carry in the state of Michigan. Schools K through 12 including private or parochial including school buses are weapon free zones. This information is presented as a brief synopsis of the law and not as legal advice. 227. It has a 4 inch blade. You are giving out bad information. There have been 2 times I’ve been pulled over where officer asked about weapons in the vehicle (once by state trooper other was local PD) and neither had a problem when I told them. Switchblades, automatic knives, and gravity knives are legal. so if there’s to intent to use against the law, it’s ok to carry a knife over 3″ long. Denied lawlibrary untill pychexam took 10 months. Senate Bill 245 eliminates current law prohibiting sale and possession of spring-assisted knives, also known as switchblades. Knife laws in my opinion are just ridiculous. I’m 40+ and was carded for a wrist rocket the other day. The Michigan Supreme Court reversed the conviction: Accordingly, we today reaffirm the principles set forth in People v. Vaines and hold that where a defendant is charged with carrying a “dangerous weapon” contrary to 750.227, the burden is on the prosecution to prove that the instrument carried by the defendant is a dangerous weapon Per se or that the instrument was used, or intended for use, as a weapon for bodily assault or defense. Excellent summary. We have all different lengths. Can a 12 year old open carry a knife in michagain?? You can own any knife from what I read but if you wish to conceal it as the police about it i’m sure it’s a concealable weapon that is legal but make sure you ask first i’m not a lawyer. so are butterfly knives illegal in the state of Michigan? You can also open carry any knife you want unless it is an automatic knife whose blade deploys out the front of the handle. So I would say if it is legal to carry a switchblade in Indiana then you can carry it there but since they are illegal in Michigan I would say no. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/07/14/switchblade-switcheroo-blades-now-legal/103688182/. Is it legal to carry a buck spring assisted with less than three inches in Ottawa county Mi.? Keep that in mind when pleading not guilty in court. ***** 750.226a THIS SECTION IS REPEALED BY ACT 96 OF 2017 OCTOBER 11, 2017 *****, They need to update there page as of October 10th 2017 switchblades are now legal. Effective October 10th 2017. 2017, Act 96, Eff. The convex side can skin well and concave can get into hide and cut. It is a common misconception that Michigan law only addresses blade length, that a person can carry a knife so long as the blade is less than 3 inches. NAVIGATE SECTIONS: MCL Chapter Index: Chapter 750 : Act 328 of 1931: 328-1931-XXXVII: Section 750.226: Legislature Bills Appropriation Bills (Passed) Calendars Committees Committee Bill Records Committee Meetings Concurrent Resolutions … Can you have a auto knife shipped to you if you live in Michigan ? Don’t drive with or walk and conceal anything over 3 inches in length..and you will be good. 307-587-8296 So even if carrying it openly, you have to walk from your home to wherever you are going. I carry all my knives on belt holsters, and plan to do the same with my karambit. The curve on them should prevent them from being considered a stabbing knife. I think automatic knives became officially legal on the 10th of OCT here in Michigan, am I correct? I agree ?%!!! Does Michigan allow a person to carry a Katana (or similar sword like weapon) on their person in public. The statute basically states if it’s double edged and CAN be used as a weapon it’s illegal. © 2017 Legislative Council, State of Michigan, http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(tvlljie1gmbwyyognknqogbo))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-226a, The information on this website is outdated, on October 10th, 2017 a bill was passed to repeal the switchblade and automatic knife ban, as of October 10th, 2017 these knives are legal to possess, please update your information, Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2017/10/michigan-switchblade-ban-repeal-effective-today-october-10-2017/#ixzz5BoAkYbf5 Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Follow us: @Ammoland on Twitter | Ammoland on Facebook. You can carry both spring assisted (no problem at all) and fully automatic knives in michigan. Can you carry/have a Italian stiletto at 13? MCL 750.227 prohibits a person from carrying a …. I believe it’s still illegal to use one on someone, though. It’s worded weird but just never tell law enforcement that it’s for self defense, always say it’s a tool. You might want to revise your Legal to Carry advice for MI. I’m a veteran so I tend to get the “move along” quite often. I am not using in attempt to harm, but I would carry it in my back pocket (so it’s out of reach to harm another and they would see me reaching if the case (which it’s not)). It just looks shady as hell. Bowie knives and other large knives are legal. § 750.227; M.S.A. My response to this that this may be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. 4.) Charges pending not guilty. I’m still not quite clear. I felt pretty proud being backed by fellow Celts! Now _obviously_ I know I can’t have it strapped to my belt, I’m wondering how large the blade can be to have concealed. 226. It really is not auto, spring or gravity assisted. Can i carry it in my pocket. I did go to jail & have to post bond. Straight up illegal. But it does allow you to “flip” it open.. Is this considered a automatic/switch blade under the law? What are the implications of these two cases and the law? The law in Michigan can be confusing if you have not had formal training. Schools are weapons free zones in Michigan. what about something without an edge at all like a sharp kubotan or one of those long thin defense spikes?their technically non folding stabbing implements but they have no sharp edge only a point. Sec. […] (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00. Automatic knives are now legal in Michigan as of Oct 2017. From what you said, can I carry any length fold knife, concealed in my pocket as long as I do not have unlawful intent? Also to note there is no such blade as a knife blade on this Balisong. Out-the-front designs sometimes feature double-edged blades. As far as I can tell Damian, you should be good as long as you’re not showing intent to harm someone (except in case you’re attacked by a bunch of hoodlums in an alley). Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. This article will give you a thorough understanding of Michigan’s knife laws in everyday English. Can you Cary a spring assisted knifes if you have to put pressure on the blade, Is this still the case? Fixed blade of ANY size are a no- no, UNLESS you’re hunting and have a hunting license on you. I would think/ hope that karambits are legal. yes. He recently got arrested and they are trying to get a felony on him for his buck knife. There are also county laws that come into play as well. With no intent to harm of course. Whether a weapon is concealed is an issue to be decided by the jury unless the evidence is clear. Might be wrong but, we play with the gift’s the God’s gave us lol. Because the minute you use it to defend or offend it’s now a weapon. Had the stars not been aligned in my favor I would’ve had to take that to trial. The new bill, SB245, repeals MCL 750.22a and eliminates the prohibition of “pocket knife opened with mechanical device,” and allows the sale and possession of automatic knives as well as gets rid of the confusing definition of what constitutes an automatic knife. So in your case you would have to pull out the blade somewhat before the spring took over. Also what is considered open Cary and closed carry with a knife? Michigan knife law changed on October 10, 2017. It has no utility function, being carried concealed on the person and used to rip open someone’s throat or disembowel them. please answer. Can I carry a 3 1/6 inch thumb stud if I am only 11 in MI. I stabbed him twice, arm & stomach, & cut his neck once (he stabbed himself with it the arm a 3rd time thrashing around so much) so 4 total contacts with 2″ blade. He was riding his bike down the sidewalk minding his own business. So by my understanding, the State of Michigan allows me to carry a concealed pistol with as many rounds as I can carry but I can’t own a knife that opens with a press of a button. If so is there any limits like length or point? MCL 750.226 No. “3. Just don’t use it for unlawful purposes. I hate it when people carry knives on their sides. I have an Uncle Henry 183uh fixed blade with a leather sheath I use to carve wood,cut fruits and vegetables. Login; New! Knife under 3 inches.. and 2.) This page needs to be updated as it’s incorrect. I think as long as you have it stored in a responsible way and disclose you have it shows your intent you should be okay. The prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you, at the moment the police found you, had the intent to harm while you were carrying a dangerous knife. Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. Well, we must first find out what “other dangerous weapon” means. Might have trouble if you carried them out and about. Spring-assisted knives are not automatic knives. > except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such. Anyone has access to them. However, there are a lot of restrictions on this. I could be wrong, but a good way to know for sure would be to ask a cop. He was not attired for hunting and it was not hunting season. Most laws about non-firearm weapons are by state, with very few existing at the Federal level. If you were carrying a knife and someone attacks you can you use that knife to fight back? Just a heads up! no you cannot open carry a knife, it must be concealed with a sheath, also assuming your age is 16 now you are allowed to now. Use EXTREAM caution if you own or carry any kind of dual edged knife in Michigan, even if it folds!!! I want to know how big the knife can be to have it concealed. The law says if you feel your life is indanger then protect yourself/ family or other b any means possible but you should try your best to not let the situation get out of control in the first place. As of August 2017 the law has been changed and it is now legal to possess and carry automatic blades in the state of Michigan. It doesn’t say any stabbing instrument. On they way out, she was booed by people who were of Irish and Scottish descent. right, But doesn’t Mi law trump city, county laws? She said she was calling the police. So how about butterfly knives? I have read a lot of people saying that a hunting knife is considered a dagger in Michigan, but that is from 2-3 years ago. But there’s LEGAL and then there’s what police will stop you for. (My Colt 1911 in .45acp generally stays at home along with a few friends … including a much larger military-issued Gerber manual-opening Applegate-Fairbairn folder.). If anyone breaches the law, then the person will be imprisoned for five years, and he may have to compensate … The maximum penalty can be imprisonment up to 5 years and / or a fine not to exceed $2,500. Very conflicting information regarding “automatic” knives. . Guys — this content is misleading in that as of 1/18/15, the Michigan State Police do not allow you to carry a large double-edged hunting knife in your car, except in certain circumstances. The knife is a dual edge spring assisted folding knife. As of Oct. 11th, 2017 the posession and carry of switch blades, spring assisted knives and the like became legal in Michigan. You state on your website that you cannot carry other stabbing instruments. The Law. Says to cilivan, you can have it shipped to you but it is illegal to own an automatic opening knife with out proper licenses. Michigan Knife Law Will Ease Fixed Blade Restrictions. Thumb studs would seem more suspect than such a blade design. Unlawful carrying offenses under 750.226 and 750.277 are felonies under Michigan law. It was a thing on their registers that asked for bday if it was a weapon. From this article and looking at the same laws on Michigan.gov, it seems that they’re absolutely legal. It’d be nice if prosecutors and police were actually held liable for knowing the laws they are enforcing. Why can’t you carry a Gerber Mark II?? it locks in place once I pull the blade out of the side and I have to push something to drop it back down (it’s not fast, nor is it supposed to be. "I've been looking for knife law guides for a while and your articles are amazing. Duh. Once again, I ask anyone to correct me if this has changed. Would it be legal to carry a Benchmade Nimravus in my pants if I’m not using it to hurt someone? They are the easiest to see that’s legal. Sec. It will give you a brief version of the law, a full version of the law with explanations, as well as case precedence. Michigan law ( MCL 750.226 ) specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length. 750.226. The cops said that since I was on private property and it was a cultural dagger, they would not pursue. (1) As used in this chapter, “doubled-edged, nonfolding stabbing instrument” does not include a knife, tool, implement, arrowhead, or artifact manufactured from stone by means of conchoidal fracturing. Is it legal for me to carry my 7″ hunting knife? This was the way it was usually printed on invitations and instructions. Yep, that’s legal. Dirks, daggers, and spear point knives are also prohibited. Fixed blade knives may not be carried concealed or carried in a vehicle, subject to a few very limited exceptions. Stay tuned. What happened to the site cordinator!? The paper ruler in the Police report makes a 3.75 inch blade 5.75 inches long. Double-edged fixed blade knives or “double-edged nonfolding stabbing instruments” are disfavored in Michigan. Sec. If you don’t have a hunting license your blade can’t be any bigger than 3 inches . Yet the charges stand? If you want to search is idc. The complete State Knife law information is now available to AKTI members and non-members alike. So can I carry a fixed blade karambit, or not? Is it illegal to conceal carry a 1in S&S precision mini shiv in my boot?? That one law says that if the blade is over 3 inches that you can be charged with a felony. What about boot knives that are no longer then 3 inches. Michigan law states: MCL 750.226 No. Quote from http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10953–,00.html. I would love to see something like this for a city or county level. Some places confuse these with butterfly knives but they are NOT the same thing. KnifeUp.com is a production of 3hree 6ixteen Net Assets, 3 Ways to Actually Sleep When Camping in a Hammock, Camping With Diabetes : A Beginner’s Guide, Best Hunting Knives : Folding and Fixed Blade, Buying Guides, Knife Life, Knives, Our Favorite Knives. can I carry a knife (2.5 inch blade) that locks? Also if the knife has more than one blade. I’m curious. The only two legal knives accepted as concealed.. (including in a car while accessible)…are 1.) 2d 615 (2013). . So if I were conceal carrying a knife and a cop pulled me over and saw it, couldn’t he charge me with a felony for carrying that knife? Well the knife might look the same but might not have the same function I would say that you should talk to the police about it the local police because if you talk to them about it you can set things straight faster than getting pulled over or getting in trouble for having a knife you were unsure about. Michigan’s laws are not that confusing, it just requires some investigation and analysis. I have a old hunting Knife my grandpa passed down to me it’s 10 inches long can I carry it? Open carry of fixed blades are permissible, but I would advise most of our readers to do so with great care. That’s my story. They are not secured just shoved in a drawer. Don’t know if Michigan LE would see it that way, though. (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to an item being transported in a vehicle, unless the item is in a container and inaccessible to the driver.”. We suggest that any fixed blade double-edged knife is within the class of knives restricted by 750.227 (1). After numerous attempts to get it out of here I finally heard from the guy today. Have the laws changed to allow it? It lists daggers, dirks, and double-edged nonfolding stabbing instruments and then mentions in the same sentence “any other dangerous weapon except a hunting knife adopted and carried as such.” In the case of People v Brown, 277 N.W. Thank you. As they say- if it ain’t legal outside the convention, it ain’t gonna be legal inside. Can someone explain this to me? Charges were eventually dropped. I am buying a Multifunctional Balisong Trainer knife with a flat head screwdriver tip that’s more blunt than sharp as well as a letter opener on the bite side of the blade and some wrench cut outs in the center of the blade to release weight and carry momentum through spinning and flipping. The dad said that double edged knives are legal as long as they’re not being used as a weapon or carrying it to be used as a weapon. According to this, http://www.leagle.com/decision/1980871102MichApp769_1780 that case dealt with a prison shank. Can a 15-16 year old carry a balisong with it clipped to there pocket or in a sleeve on the belt? Include that I am 14. However, the clause also ends with “or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument.” What would be included under that? https://knifeup.com/michigan-knife-laws/. Moral of the story it’s all open for interpretation & depends on your record as well as the record of others. How Old Do You Have To Be To Carry A Butterfly Knife? Lynn was convicted by the Kalamazoo Circuit Court (trial level) on several charges including 750.227 (1) as set forth above. I have kids and dogs. Get a new knife and support our legislative efforts. Such knives were restricted under a statute repealed effective in October 2017 which described the prohibited knives as follows: Pocket knife opened by mechanical device, unlawful sale or possession. This section applies to the knives restricted under 750.227 and includes any knife “having a blade over 3 inches in length.” A violation occurs if one goes armed with intent to use the weapon unlawfully against another. Dirks, daggers, and stilettos are legal to own. And I got a few different answers about the blade length. If I would to use that blade to defend my self would it be legal. Yep, just some marbles. As per the Michigan Penal Code 750.227, a person should not carry a dirk, stiletto, non-folding knives, double-edged knives, and hunting knives by concealing. You are either carrying or not, with knives. I’m not a Lawyer, but the Author of the Bill, Senator Rick Jones has a post on his FB page where he describes exactly what his definition of a “spring assisted knife” is. Bet it is a state law. According the aspects of the machete I would say yes because it could not be a stabbing weapon because it doesn’t have a point depending on which type it is. People v Mitchell 835 N.W. POSSESSION of automatic/switchblade style knives is ILLEGAL in Michigan. Doubled-edged, nonfolding stabbing instruments (pertains to items fashioned from stone by knapping or conchoidal fracturing) As a nonprofit association, AKTI’s role is to be the reasonable and responsible advocate for the knife-making and knife-using community; educating, promoting and informing that knives are important tools. Can a 12 year old carry a pocket knife open carried in public in michagain? The statute does carve out an exception for hunting knives. If you read the statute carefully and then how this guy changes it you’ll see that the son is obviously guilty based on the statute. can you carry an m9 bayonet on you as a hunting knife. You’re asking questions about a felony on a forum? I would much rather leave bruises and at most a broken nose. http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1878_1591_3503_4654-10953–,00.html#OTHER_WEAPONS__NON_PISTOLS_. J. because a double edged knife can penetrate an officers bullet proof vest better than a bullet can. Thanks. This needs to be updated Michigan laws changed in 2017, Auto knives are legal to carry in Michigan. For example, if you live in Denver, Colorado, you must abide by the knife laws of Colorado as well as the knife laws of Denver. That law is a tack-on charge for people caught carrying large knives during the commission of a crime. Is that legal to carry on my belt in its sheath? (The Mini has a 2.9″ blade, the Covert has a 3.7″ blade.) Beaten by officer in elevator while cuffed broke both sides of my ribs dislocated my jaw almost broke my neck then put in restraint chair all while none combative on second incident sprayed in face while waiting to be cuffed then put in restraint chair i was none combative.the first time i swore the second time i was talking to my self. hence gravity opening and closing. The store would not sell it to him as they said it had a knife on it. There is no exception for transporting it. On top of this, you can not carry a dangerous weapon with intent to harm. Hopefully you never have to be in this type of situation. I believe you have to be atleast 15 in michigan. If it doesn’t have a point then I would say yes. legal at home yes. In the 1971 case of People v Iverson, it was found that carrying a hunting knife is not a per se crime unless you are carrying a hunting knife with intent to harm another person. A minor could buy a hatchet, steak knives, paring knife or a butcher knife but they are not allowed to purchase a multi tool in an outdoor recreation retailer. Has anyone thought about Karambits? Knife owners-1 anti knife people-0. I must say they are only a novelty and not dangerous. Are they separate from the blade or a mechanical contrivance? If it was hidden it becomes a concealed weapon. Weapon free school zones; violations and penalties; applicability It is really more for slicing if you have seen any YouTube Vids. It also says concealed or otherwise in a vehicle. mainly michigans, the open carry is for firearms, not knives you are not allowed over 5 inches, mainly due to the “publics safety” also if its concealed, it is hard to hide a knife that big, secondly, the open carry laws allows almost any weapon for be Open carried in certain places with no ammo near the gun and i believe the distance has to be 3 feet away from the gun unloaded. Seems Michigan has been set a little queasy by the idea of a fixed blade knife of any length being kept h… Spring assisted is okay by my reading. Arguably Michigan has some of the worst written laws in this country as it relates to knives. Now, what does that mean for thumb studs? (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. Sec. The bill was introduced by Sen. Rick Jones, R-Grand Ledge, and passed the Senate Judiciary Committee he chairs in March. Thanks for the question! If you find the State Knife Laws useful please consider an AKTI membership or making a contribution to AKTI. As of 10/10/2017 in the state of Michigan automatic knives are legal to own buy and carry, this includes switch or button operated, side opening and out the front. We interpret “nonfolding” as a synonym for fixed blade. People v Smith (1975) found that “other dangerous weapon” must mean other types of stabbing instruments. Or are they simply fixed blades? They should know the laws they enforce. This gives them the opportunity to stop and rethink if they want to get cut. Again, imo a one sided kbar especially, should-would be considered a hunting knife. Any legal opinions available? I’d wear it on my belt though. Michigan Law and Knife Length. I just bought a huge 12 inch Bowie knife because I’m older (63) and live in a high risk area so I leave the knife either on my belt OR sticking up by my center console shifter when driving. Which of course with the intent to harm anyone. Michigan Penal Code 750.227 (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling … I think this ridiculous law spans back to the 1950’s due to Hollywood movies such as Rebel Without A Cause and West Side Story. Fixed blade knives may be carried openly. ANSWER: MCL 750.227 No. Butterfly knives, also called balisong knives, are legal. The law banning those in the state of Michigan was repealed in October of 2017. I’m no pro though. Someone needs to update this site as Senate Bill 245 was pass last year in the state of Michigan. Not illegal. Privacy & Security. I understand that it’s illegal to conceal carry any double-edged, non folding, stabbing instrument, which is what I presume to be what category karambits fall under. a gravity knife is a special kind of knife where you turn it upside down and press a button to let gravity deploy the blade. The issue of what is a “dangerous weapon” involves fact issues and evidence beyond double edges. § 28.424, the burden is on the prosecution to prove that the instrument carried by the defendant is a dangerous weapon per se or that the instrument was used, or intended for use, as a weapon for bodily assault or defense. UPDATE: Michigan has repealed the laws preventing sale or ownership of automatic (switchblade) knives. The high school I work at has a cooking class are those knives allowed? Therefore, double-edged folding knives are legal to possess concealed in Michigan, provided the person is not using the knife as a weapon or carrying it for use as a weapon.”. Sec. While this article only speaks of state law on knives. Just talked to a local gun & knife shop owner. I recently purchased a double edge karambit with a belt holster from Karambit.com, but was unclear on the difference between open and conceal carry. I was thinking about having a katana (a Japanese sword) for decoration , and possible stage prop. If a knife cannot be used to stab (has no point), it can be carried concealed as long as you do not have the intent to harm someone. you can carry an out the front knife as long as it only has a single edge, LEO and Military are authorized to have a double edged OTF knife in michigan however. There blades are typically not even sharp. Under the ban that’s being lifted by the new law, the only people allowed to carry switchblades were those in the police, military or people missing a hand or arm. QUESTION: I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. I interpret this law as you can carry these things that are typically illegal if it’s in an inaccessible container in a car. I have a 24” machete I carry in the cargo bay of my SUV in a sheath for clearing brush while hiking. So if your not willing to take that chance it’s best to not carry & risk being a victim. Spring assist, such as Gerber and Kershaw ARE LEGAL? so no double-sided non-folding knives are legal? Question-a delivery person left a knife in my house on Sunday, today is Thursday. What’s the law on that if any? It was given to me by a buddy that got it from a burned down house he was renovating. That being said, I had an event where an officer helped my wife change a flat tire and seen my swords and daggers in the trunk of the car. that’s how I take it as well. Must be some ancient law that people have in their mind. The implications of this is that carrying concealed a non-hunting knife that has a blunt tip is not illegal. Re-read above about concealment of it. Stated above. Can I keep it in my pocket or do I have to have it clipped to a belt in plain site. my fiance ALWAYS carries a buck knife on his belt. Home > Opinions > Society > Michigan knife laws: Should people in Michigan be allowed to own switchblade knives? Three questions 1) what is a “gravity knife”? Can you carry them as long as they are concealed since they are a double-sided folding knife as compared to a non-folding one? My only regret is I didn’t have a bigger knife, & I didn’t stick him more times. It can save your life from very dangerous animal. Also arrested ohio lorian co. Charged wanton n no lights lorian paper report high speed case 5 street lights. Mine is here, we’re both from Michigan about 40 years old. Anything can become a weapon (legal or not). Is it legal for me to carry my swiss army Hercules concealed in my pocket that is over 3″ in. Or plea bargain. 750.226a Repealed. Long? The only banned knife is an automatic, mechanical one. In any situation. When I wear my kilt and cultural garb, I usually carry sgian duv (a kind of small dagger with a single blade). Also I’m touting it as more of a tool. After numerous attempts to get it out of here I finally heard from the guy today. From what I read yes the other assisted and flipper knifes a legal. Concealed weapons, carrying SB 245, sponsored by Senator Rick Jones, repealed Section 226a (switchblade ban) of the Michigan penal code originally enacted in 1952. The only limits to concealed carry are that you must not use the knife to harm others and that you can not carry … It says “except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such,” you need to also have a hunting or a fishing license on you or in the vehicle, and it must not be concealed. Greg offers some great advice here, although it is through the eyes of an Ohio law enforcement officer. We also know that it is legal to open carry any type of knife as long as it is not an automatic knife (a knife your not supposed to have in your possession). Snyder making switchblade knives legal. Just thought id share. It might be a stupid question but no one has asked it yet. It is illegal to possess that knife in the state of Michigan. are legal. What a confusing and poorly written law…. AKTI thanks the State Police for leading the initiative, and working with us to make it a reality. Spring assisted knives are legal as long as the blade is under 3 inches and the mechanism to unfold the blade is activated by man (no switches like a switchblade or buttons, it has to be done by hand like a thumb tab). flipper knives are totally legal. Michigan is a fairly permissible state for knife owners, hampered only by a few odd discretionary laws restricting the concealed carry of the entire category of fixed blade knives (though they can be carried openly, if with caution) and by an odd turn of phrasing, out-the-front automatic knives. What blade shape or geometry makes a knife legally a stiletto? If you weren’t doing anything with is that was deemed suspicious they should have no reason to try to charge you or anything. Absolute invisibility is not required in to establish concealment. Today in Michigan, possessing and carrying a swithcblade or knofe opened by mechanical means is legal. Sprayed in face mase placed in chair noncombative. You referenced People v Grandberry when you said that tomahawks are legal. § 1244 provides that the federal Switchblade Knife Act does not apply to: … 5) a knife “that contains a spring, detent, or other mechanism designed to create a bias toward closure of the blade and that requires exertion applied to the blade by hand, wrist, or arm to overcome the bias toward closure to assist in opening the knife.” So according to the law the knife is being opened by the blade and not “mechanical contrivance”, as the blade is already opened manually before the action comes into play… a thumb stud or ‘flicker’ on the back of the blade should make no difference per the law. It was a cord with a special knot that made it difficult or impossible to draw you sword, which kept “Peace” in the area. it has an 8 inch blade and will generally be used only on my property, not for carry. Knives are not mentioned in 750.224 which pertains to weapons which cannot be manufactured, sold, or possessed. So, let me get this straight. A case involving a “throwing knife” illustrates the distinction between daggers, and nonfolding stabbing instrument and any other dangerous weapon. Hello, I work in a Michigan privately owned business where alcohol is served and run into situations where someone with a large (well over 3, maybe 5 inch) bladed knife will be in a holster on their belt or shoulder harness. Does the last part mean to say that Knives are TO BE in a container and inaccessible to the driver or SHOULD NOT BE in a container. Depends on the cop, depends on the prosecutor, depends on the judge. are now legal as of the amendment date. I feel that this is extremely dangerous for my children and dogs. Thank you and great job. This article needs an update. Michigan sees its first possible advance in knife law since the repeal of the automatic ban last July, and Virginia may lift the ban on knife carry in places of worship.. Michigan House Bill 5512 seeks to remove all language of knives from section 227 of the Michigan Penal Code. I am a Michigander and I’m ashamed!!! I just pulled this from the Michigan State Legislature website in late November of 2018: “750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty. Cop says they may just deem it to be destroyed? I went back to the store to purchase it for him and to discuss it with the manager. Carrying the switchblade knife may be used for some people in their line of work (as a use for box openers), but once used as a weapon for self defense or harm, the laws will be placed. Typical for politicians to make and have laws enforced on things they know very little about or see on TV. Rick Snyder Thursday. Senate Bill 245, recently signed into law, eliminates the prohibition on the sale or possession of spring loaded automatic (switchblade) knives. that is illegal, mainly its a hatchet. Do Spring-Assisted knives count as automatic since you flick a switch to open them? that Bill needs to get reintroduced as it was written in 2018…. Screw it if I’m being attacked I’m pulling that thing out idc what they say that’s one of the dumbest rules ever. Are they legal to carry? If it is legal, would I need a permit, and what are the transportation regulations? That is illegal. “Other dangerous weapon” in the statute is precedented by case law as to mean weapons of like kind in previous sentence or remark in statute, because not all weapons of that kind could be named in the statute, it would literally impossible. One should not assume that pocket clip carry is openly carried. Concealed must be 3 inches or smaller….and carrying in a car is legally..”concealed”..so any knife that is not mechanically driven can be carried openly while walking. I feel that this is extremely dangerous for my children and dogs. Charging me with assault with a deadly weapon without intent to do great bodily harm without intent to murder. What is the age limit to be able to collect knives? Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty. Even with the sharp point you can’t stab anyone with it, unless you twist and hold it at some weird angle. hunting knives can be concealed. Here is a link to it: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/07/14/switchblade-switcheroo-blades-now-legal/103688182/. MCL 750.227 prohibits a person from carrying a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged [and] nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length or any other dangerous weapon concealed on or about his or her person or whether concealed or otherwise in a vehicle, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. The portion of the statute that refers to “any other dangerous weapon” applies to stabbing instruments, including knives, when such stabbing instruments are used as a weapon or carried for use as a weapon. Also is a “God Father” style knife considered a stiletto? Know the difference between Concealed and Open Carry. He then went on to exaggerate the blade length by 2 inches in the Police report, with pictures. The only limits to concealed carry are that you must not use the knife to harm others and that you can not carry a stabbing knife like a dirk or stiletto whose blade is deployed out the front of the handle. How old do you have to be to carry a pocket knife under 3 inches? I don’t care where you live but if you r in MI u have to follow MI laws, You would deffinetly get charged with carrying an elegal knife you should leave it in Indiana. State law muddies the knife length restriction further by stating all dangerous weapons are considered illegal regardless of the length of the knives. Does this law apply to any age? MCL 750.227 No. I believe it changed in late 2017. So me being a minor, can i conceal carry a push dagger? No there isn’t but I believe under ten it may be looked at as child endangerment in certain situations. If you take a butter knife and put a razor sharp edge on both sides of it you cannot carry that off your property because that’s considered a dangerous weapon now based on the Michigan Statute. A statewide ban on switchblades will be lifted under legislation signed into law by Gov. Example I have a hunting blade that is about 11 inches long with a hilt and it is pointed would it be illegal for be to conceal carry it in the State of Michigan as well as what will differ from a blade that is illegal because it’s pointed but a hunting knife is pointed so please some help. . It is legal to sell them they are in every convenient store and mall kiosk in the state so I would assume they are legal to carry. Copyright ©document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) American Knife and Tool Institute, all rights reserved I said to the lady, “these are just marbles.” Lady: “I know, but it says slingshot ammo so I need to see your ID.” Me: “So you’re saying that if I walked 6 more aisles and was in the toy section and grabbed the marbles that are in the same exact bag but labeled “marbles” we wouldn’t be doing this?” Lady: “That’s correct.” I love Michigan lol, so is it illegal to carry a spring assisted knife. 226a. That is illegal and released with no charges probably cause you did nothing and was just seen with it. This article is now outdated (and always was poorly written). My name is eric kriston bosserdet I was arrested and held one year for carry conceald hatchet in mi. Open carrying an 8 inch hunting knife might be legal, but that doesn’t mean you won’t go through what “Ottawa County is Unjust” did, being detained, spending months and thousands on legal defense, before having all charges dismissed. When you are going to prepare outdoor to hunting you must carry with best boot knife for self protect. Is this legal? Does this mean butterfly knives are legal since the fold? Because a girl that witnessed it tryed to write a statement & didn’t think I should’ve stabbed him (stupid b!+¢h). Its just not feasible. I just wonder about the concealing thing. U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)-Knife Rights’ Michigan Knife Law Preemption bill, HB 5286, the “Michigan Knife Rights Act,” was passed out of the House Judiciary Committee with a bipartisan vote of 12-1.It will now be eligible for a vote by the full House. I have a 8 inch full tang buck knife that I carry on my hip everywhere I go, nice sharp point and single blade, I keep it in its leather sheath and have gotten stopped by the cops several times, they’re usually nice enough just making conversation, as long as you are nice and tell them yoh have a knife on your hip (not concealed but incase they can’t see it) and they usually don’t care. Nice! That’s how I look at it. When something threatens my rights, KnifeUp is the first to inform me. The concealment standard in Michigan is based on decisional law. After reading here I’m affraid they might charge me with a felony. However, that may also be to the discretion of the Police officer to shows up to investigate. This summary really helps elimate the need to read and reread each line of each statute several times before understanding. Because the assailant was in Jackson prison on unrelated charges, so he couldn’t/wouldn’t testify, the girl who witnessed did not come to court either. Switchblade knives made legal in bill signed by Gov. If you are in obvious danger (like being kidnapped) and you use the knife to escape, no one will criticize you, but anything less severe than that and you could be charged. § 750.227; M.S.A. Without any warning months later they issued a warrant for my arrest. No such ordinance is noted in Grand Rapids. I was told by the officer it was considered like brass knuckles. I think you need to re-check this article. So you can carry as long as it’s for protection from someone robbing you or trying to hurt you ? Should I get a lawyer or wait to hear from d.a. (I have a CPL.) (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife adapted and carried as such, concealed on or about his or her person, or whether concealed or otherwise in any vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business or on other land possessed by the person. No idea if he will sign it. P.S., in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei, the Karambit/Kuku Macan is a weapon, pure and simple. Walking with any Knife of any length, that is not a Switchblades, automatic knife or gravity knife, holstered and seen… is Legal and recommended. I came here mainly to find out if balisongs are legal and if switchblades arent as well. As long as you do NOT have unlawful intent… In People v Brown, 406 Mich 215, 222-223 (1979), the Michigan Supreme Court stated: “Accordingly, we today reaffirm the principles set forth in People v. Vaines and hold that where a defendant is charged with carrying a “dangerous weapon” contrary to M.C.L. I cannot find a answer anywhere, no it is considered a fixed blade knife and is legal. I’m 33 and was carded for buying slingshot ammo in Michigan. Automatic knives are not restricted by Michigan state law. The state prohibits automatic knives and out the front knives. Thanku for comments. From these two cases, we know that, as long as the knife cannot be used to stab others, it is legal to carry concealed. Dirks, daggers, push knives, and stilettos are legal. Auto knives are illegal in michigan no matter the situation, atleast springloaded one and tension knives. Should I not be so worried/concerned? Michigan law is unquestionably restrictive of fixed blade or “nonfolding” stabbing instruments but does not specifically address moveable or non-fixed blade double-edged knives. She told me that they will not sell anything with a knife blade on it to anyone under the age of 18 as it was the law. The Court also noted MCL 750.226 does not prohibit the carrying of any weapon (including a knife with a blade over three inches in length) for purposes of self- defense. 750.226a mcl has been amended by “ACT 96 OF 2017” which repeals “Act 328 of 1931”. I am a bagpiper here in Michigan on the side. "Michigan law specifies that a person, with intent to use the knife unlawfully against another, shall not go armed with a knife having a blade over 3 inches in length." Any person who shall sell or offer to sell, or any person who shall have in his possession any knife having the appearance of a pocket knife, the blade or blades of which can be opened by the flick of a button, pressure on a handle or other mechanical contrivance shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in the county jail for not to exceed 1 year or by a fine of not to exceed $300.00, or both. The wording of 750.227 (1) has been difficult for Michigan courts. To further emphasize this point, the case of People v Grandberry in 1980 found that axes (top tomahawks for tactical use) do not qualify as dangerous weapons in this clause since they can not be used to stab others. I forgot it was in my vehicle. At this point you treat your blade as a fire arm like I said let them know you ill use force if they don’t stop but if you let the situation evolve into you getting your ass kicked you were doing something wrong to let it elevate that far . Just wanted to let you know Michigan legislature has recently changed the law regarding “automatic” knives. You must remember Mi has NO preemption on knife laws, so a knife that is legal in one city or township may not be legal in the next city. Automatic knives are no longer illegal in Michigan. However, you can make use of hunting knives or any knife used as such. We are a hunting family. Other dangerous weapons like a stiletto, double-edged dagger, dirks are highly prohibited. SO it is legal for me to carry my bowie hunting knife that is obviously over 3″ in length so long as I am carrying it without harmful intent? Unless you have only one arm, possession of an automatic knife is illegal in Michigan regardless of what state you call home. deputies, local city police, and State. I can only guess this would fall under similar cercomstances as a concealed carry fire arm or even an open carry for that matter. Nice summary but you missed one very important statement. Is it legal to own these and throw them in my backyard? Moving one state to another is hard to say but, using common sense once you cross state lines you are under that law of the state and federal government which is everywhere. I carry one from time to time. The law states that daggers, dirks, razors, and stilettos are dangerous weapons per se. Michigan law is unquestionably restrictive of fixed blade or “nonfolding” stabbing instruments but does not specifically address moveable or non-fixed blade double-edged knives. The Michigan Court of Appeals in the case of People v Payne, 446 N.W.2d 629 (1989) held that a double-edged fixed blade knife cannot be considered for the hunting knife exception. Under the ‘open carry’ in Michigan, can I open carry my kabar? My reason is just for the fact as I know they now just seem to be a part of a past Americana and nowadays these older switchblade knives are just a curio and collectible item just as any older military or firearms have become. 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